is whether you like joe biden or didn't like joe biden or whether paul ryan seemed like he was up to the job of being president? >> well, charlie let's talk about style and substance. the style points, you know, i moderated two of these debates, these vice presidential debates, one in which they are standing at separate podiums and one in which they were seated in that circular table like martha raddatz did tonight and i thought she did a great job. >> rose: i did too. >> one way they react when sitting across the table that's when he asked about the 47 percent and paul ryan obviously planned response was well sometimes things come out the wrong way you know that joe and biden was able to say yeah but i mean it when i say i it and that brought him back around to the question of passion that mark was talking about, but on the substance part of this, let's talk about the loose end that were left on the table, what happened, their disagreements or at least unresolved differences on iran and actually what action it is united states should take and on afghanistan and whether or not -- i c